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PostSubject: Montivipera wagneri   Sat 24 Jan - 19:13

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PostSubject: Re: Montivipera wagneri   Sat 24 Jan - 22:06

Hi Fabian,


would you please wright a little about the species or perhaps a bit about the animal on the picture?

only posting pictures will be very much boring after a while, even the picture is good as this one.



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PostSubject: Re: Montivipera wagneri   Sun 25 Jan - 1:28

No problem...

This species is found from greece to turkey and is called "moutain adder".
Not often kept in europe, like most european vipers.
This photo is taken from a reptile zoo and "robbarium".

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PostSubject: Re: Montivipera wagneri   Sun 25 Jan - 2:08

Hi Fabian,
are you sure, it is a Montivipera xanthina?
Looking at the colour and shape of the pattern I´d rather say it is a M. wagneri. If you have a foto showing the back of the snake more clearly, it would be easy to tell the species.

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PostSubject: Re: Montivipera wagneri   Sun 25 Jan - 17:48

Hi

I have never seen a Montivipera xanthina with yellow in their pattern, I would also say M. wagneri.
More pictures would be good.

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PostSubject: Re: Montivipera wagneri   Sun 25 Jan - 19:06

Here is another picture

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PostSubject: Re: Montivipera wagneri   Sun 25 Jan - 19:21

Well I actually did a mistake.
I copied the wrong photo. It is definitely Vipera wagneri.

May a mod can change the topic...

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PostSubject: Re: Montivipera wagneri   Sun 25 Jan - 19:32

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This species is found from greece to turkey and is called "mountain adder".
As members of the genus Montivipera, both of'em are Mountain Vipers.
Other english common names are:
for M. xanthina: Ottoman Viper
for M. wagneri: Ocellated (Mountain) Viper

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PostSubject: Re: Montivipera wagneri   Mon 26 Jan - 13:51

Isn´t V. albizona also called Turkish Mountain viper?
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PostSubject: Re: Montivipera wagneri   Mon 26 Jan - 15:24

In my opinion this is not a Montivipera wagneri but a Montivipera albizona.
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PostSubject: Re: Montivipera wagneri   Mon 26 Jan - 22:50

Is difficulty wagneri-albizona!

This is my Montivipera wagneri



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PostSubject: Re: Montivipera wagneri   Tue 27 Jan - 2:10

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PostSubject: Re: Montivipera wagneri   Thu 29 Jan - 23:32

Hi,

my opinion is, this viper is no Montivipera wagneri or albizona.
I have seen xanthinas with this arangement of pattern and (red)brown in the dorsal band between Fethiye and Antalya.
The seperated blotches also point to xanthina from the central Taurus mountains (Bolkar dagh) - vipers from there often are named Montivipera bulgardaghica.
And forget albizona!
It is not possible to separate it from wagneri by morphological characters (Pholidosis). And also genetical (mitoch. DNA) both are identic. We found a wider spectrum within wagneri from different locations in the Aras-valley (typical wagneri) compared to vipers from Kayseri and Sivas area (albizona).

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PostSubject: Re: Montivipera wagneri   Wed 23 Feb - 18:26

I have a couple Xanthina's from south Turkey with that kind of coloration. I also find it hard to say which montivipera is albizona or wagneri... But when their are identical in their DNA I would say they are the same species.


here a photo from my Xanthina's

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PostSubject: Re: Montivipera wagneri   Thu 24 Feb - 6:20

I think these are wagneri, the build and pattern of the blotches on the dorsal surface is different than xanthina, and albizona has white bars between the black and yellow bars, this is why it is called albizona, it means white collar. None of the above look anything like bulgardaghica. This viper comes from the Bukgar Daglari mountain range in south east Turkey. I thought all the Montivipera species had quite seperate geographical locations within Turkey.
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PostSubject: Re: Montivipera wagneri   Thu 24 Feb - 9:59

This could be an excellent Thread for the Venomland archival library. Sincerely, Jon Davidson .
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PostSubject: Re: Montivipera wagneri   Thu 24 Feb - 16:27

I´ll upload a picture of a V. albizona..



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PostSubject: Re: Montivipera wagneri   Thu 24 Feb - 16:31

I'm sure it is! I started a discussion about it.

http://www.venomland.net/t3766-montivipera#26290
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