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PostSubject: Telescopus semiannulatus - Tiger Snake   Fri 9 Jan - 2:48

This is one of the new species I collect.
I hope to get a breading group this year.


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PostSubject: Re: Telescopus semiannulatus - Tiger Snake   Fri 9 Jan - 3:23

Hi Fabian , excellent choice I am delighted to see someone with this snakes on the forum ! tiger snakes are amazing and beautiful animals..
Yours is looking like the east african specimens?
It took me 12 months of force feeding pinks to this specimens below , now they are eating fine.
From my experience the east african specimens is eating mice easier.

South African TIgers.

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PostSubject: Re: Telescopus semiannulatus - Tiger Snake   Fri 9 Jan - 3:48

I don´t really know the locality, but she looks different to yours.
She takes easilly mice. I hope to get a group from south africa this year, maybe with some Telescopus beetzi.

Do you only keep them on sand?
My female seems to be semi-aboreal, which is sometimes described in literature.
Sometimes they only speek of ground-living.

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PostSubject: Re: Telescopus semiannulatus - Tiger Snake   Fri 9 Jan - 4:09

stunning picture Fabian....


good luck with them!

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PostSubject: Re: Telescopus semiannulatus - Tiger Snake   Fri 9 Jan - 19:00

Thank you Mario. I hope so.

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PostSubject: Re: Telescopus semiannulatus - Tiger Snake   Sat 7 Mar - 7:29

I have no idea how I missed this thread in my skimming through the forums......

I really like Telescopus as well and presently keep a couple T. s. semiannulatus myself. I got my first pair a few years ago, though they both didn't last very long. The female did lay eight eggs the day after landing in Canada from Tanzania, but it looked like they were retained too long and went bad quickly. She started eating unscented fuzzy mice shortly there after and then died. The male followed soon behind.

A little over a year ago I got two more and they are still going strong, the only bad part is they're both males. These guys started on lizards for me (Anolis carolinensis) and after a couple of months switched to scented mice pinks and are recently on unscented pinks.

I'll have to dig up some pictures to share. It's difficult to tell from pictures, but how big are both of yours? The female that laid eggs here couldn't have been more than 30" total length, and I think that's a stretch.

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PostSubject: Re: Telescopus semiannulatus - Tiger Snake   Sat 7 Mar - 20:02

My female has also 30 inch. No problems with her yet. Eating fine unscentened mice and rats.


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PostSubject: Re: Telescopus semiannulatus - Tiger Snake   Mon 15 Mar - 4:49

Now I have 2.1 adult Telescopus semiannulatus and 6 juveniles.

Today I started the first attempt of feeding:
All juveniles eat mouse! 3 without problems ( seems to be the technique )
2 of the adulte to the same ( I know from the former owner )
The female I have not tested, will try it tomorrow.

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PostSubject: Re: Telescopus semiannulatus - Tiger Snake   Mon 15 Mar - 8:00

I think these are DWA Scheduled over here....They are absolutely gorgeous, however.
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PostSubject: Re: Telescopus semiannulatus - Tiger Snake   Mon 15 Mar - 14:43

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DWA

What does it mean? Googled but I got not answer


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PostSubject: Re: Telescopus semiannulatus - Tiger Snake   Mon 15 Mar - 15:46

Especially the first picture is exceptional, Fabian!

Is there anything known about the venom of this rear fanged?

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PostSubject: Re: Telescopus semiannulatus - Tiger Snake   Mon 15 Mar - 17:33

Thx Guenther,

I think it is like the Boiga venom, contains neurotoxic components.

http://www.toxinology.com/fusebox.cfm?staticaction=snakes/ns-coluber1.htm
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Local swelling, ± discolouration, bleeding, lymphangitis, headache, nausea.

Telescopus dhara have really huge venom glands
http://www.rear-fanged.com/biologie-anatomie.html

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PostSubject: Re: Telescopus semiannulatus - Tiger Snake   Mon 15 Mar - 17:40

Thanks Fabian, very interesting!
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PostSubject: Re: Telescopus semiannulatus - Tiger Snake   Tue 16 Mar - 2:11

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DWA

What does it mean? Googled by I got not answer

DWA means Dangerous Wild Animals. You need a Dangerous Wild Animals lisence in the UK for most venomous species of reptile, which was intruduced with the Dangerous Wild Animals Act back in the 1970s to keep certain animals which are concidered as a danger to the public if escaped from their enclosures.
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PostSubject: Re: Telescopus semiannulatus - Tiger Snake   Tue 16 Mar - 2:44

Thx for the answer. I know that some UK guys have kept them, doesn´t know that you need a license for such snakes
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PostSubject: Re: Telescopus semiannulatus - Tiger Snake   Thu 18 Mar - 0:57

Fabian Dirks wrote:
Thx for the answer. I know that some UK guys have kept them, doesn´t know that you need a license for such snakes

The vast majority of venomous snakes are scheduled under the Act, there are quite a lot of Rear-fanged that arenot though.
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PostSubject: Re: Telescopus semiannulatus - Tiger Snake   Fri 19 Mar - 21:29

Telescopus sps. are not covered by the UK DWA schedule, so no license is required to keep them Wink

Absolutely gorgeous snakes posted by all Very Happy


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PostSubject: Re: Telescopus semiannulatus - Tiger Snake   Fri 19 Mar - 22:11

Charlotte Goble wrote:
Telescopus spp. are not covered by the UK DWA schedule, so no license is required to keep them Wink

Absolutely gorgeous snakes posted by all Very Happy

Oh? These aren't the Japanese Tiger Snakes, then?
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PostSubject: Re: Telescopus semiannulatus - Tiger Snake   Sat 20 Mar - 1:30

The first result for "Telescopus" on google Wink ;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telescopus
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PostSubject: Re: Telescopus semiannulatus - Tiger Snake   Sat 20 Mar - 1:38

http://www.rear-fanged.com/telescopus.html (some nice pics)

tiger snake (asian): Rhabdophis spec. | venomnous and poisonous

tiger snake (australien): Notechis
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PostSubject: Re: Telescopus semiannulatus - Tiger Snake   Sat 20 Mar - 5:59

Cool, learn something new every day. Cheers.
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PostSubject: Re: Telescopus semiannulatus - Tiger Snake   Sat 20 Mar - 18:18

The venom of this snake is very mild and of absolutely no concern to people unless the person has specific allergies.
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PostSubject: Re: Telescopus semiannulatus - Tiger Snake   Tue 23 Mar - 14:52

Chris Jones wrote:
The venom of this snake is very mild and of absolutely no concern to people unless the person has specific allergies.

Not according to Bryan Fry. He once told me that Telescopus venom is deadly. Of course I dont believe him but then again, Im just Rob Deans.
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PostSubject: Re: Telescopus semiannulatus - Tiger Snake   Tue 23 Mar - 15:56

I have to correct!
I talked to Dr. Fry certain times. The venom is as toxic as the most venoms!
Telescopus dhara have huge glands and a rel. large amount, but the delivery system and the fangs are not good as vipers/elapids or Dispholidus typus.
So it means to me the venom is maybe deadly, but not the snake

A statement about T. dhara ( from www.venomdoc.com)

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Just emailed you our two papers on the venom, one that is already uploaded onto the webpage (the mass spectrometry study) and another that is in press (comparing the neurotoxicity of venoms from a variety of 'colubrid' families). Basically it is extremely potent (as toxic as a death adders) and the venom yields are huge (a 30-40 cm specimen can give 20+ milligrams, this species gets to 1.2 meters). However, the fangs are quite small so the delivery mechanism isn't too crash hot. The snakes are also remarkably placid tempered. I'd recommend just using a hook or a pair of light gardening gloves while working with them and you'll be fine.
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