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Soleya Witte
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PostSubject: The collection   Sun 2 Dec - 5:39

Vipera ammodytes meridionalis











Vipera ammodytes ammodytes (Montenegro)





Crotalus vegrandis





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PostSubject: Re: The collection   Sun 2 Dec - 5:57

Great for starters, especially Vipera ammodytes.But it is beautiful and C.d. vegrandis.And of course if you can picture a whole terariums
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PostSubject: Re: The collection   Sun 2 Dec - 14:09

I'll upload some pics of the terrariums soon Wink!

This is only 1/10 of the collection of my boyfriend, so I'll upload some pics of some other animals too Smile.
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PostSubject: Re: The collection   Sun 2 Dec - 14:17

No problem,go ahead
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PostSubject: Re: The collection   Sun 2 Dec - 17:57

Hello Soleya,

nice photos and nice animals.
Do you have any photos of the back, the horn from the front (closeup) and the tail of the Montenegro-Ammod. shown above?
On these photos it looks more like V. a. meridionalis.

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PostSubject: Re: The collection   Sun 2 Dec - 21:47

To me they look all like Vipera ammodytes meridionalis, mine are the same coloration like last two pics with greenish tail.
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PostSubject: Re: The collection   Mon 3 Dec - 3:00

Hello Albert,
yes, they do but the upper 5 photos are under the title V. a. meridionalis which is right.
The animal on the photos labelled "Vipera ammodytes ammodytes (Montenegro)" looks like a meridionalis to me as well as to you. But I want to make absolutely sure. There are V. a. ammodytes in Montenegro that look very much like meridionalis if you look at their pattern but if you look at their tails AND especially the scalation of their horns you can be sure what they are. Quite a number of V.a.a. in Montenegro can have yellow or even green tails. Therefore I would like to see the photos I asked for.
The color of the body is no hint at all, V.a.a. from Montenegro can have almost any color and also meridionalis can be very variable in color.

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PostSubject: Re: The collection   Mon 3 Dec - 22:56

Hey Rainer and Albert,

since Soleya is a bit under the weather and not feeling well, I'll answer this post Smile

The reddish animal labeled "Montenegro" here was actually sold to me as Vipera ammodytes meridionalis, that is correct.

I bought these at the snakeday last year, from a guy who could not speak German, or English.. and he was watching the table for a friend who was in the restaurant.
I asked him a few times if these were animals from the vicinity of lake Scutari, and he answered me with "Yes, yes"

When I decided to buy the snakes (in a hurry, my own table was unattended) I gave him money, he gave me snakes, papers were signed, and I was gone.

When I came home that night, the papers did (and still do) read "Vipera ammodytes meridionalis"
Now, like Rainer said, the animals from around Scutari are incredibly polymorph, and also have green/ yellow tails, and lots of different body-coloration.

So, given the guys statement that the animals were from Scutari, I dropped the meridionalis part, and decided to label these "ammodytes"

Only recently (after your comments in fact) I dug up the papers, and saw the scalation on the rostal horn a bit better.. and, like you, I am now convinced that this is, in fact "Vipera ammodytes meridionalis"

Come to think of it.. I think if I had asked if these animals came from Australia, I would have gotten the same "Yes, yes" for an answer..

So, all in all, you guys are absolutely right, and after hibernation.. I need a new tank to split them up..

After hibernation we'll post new pics. I have old ones, but those are horrible, and Soleya is way better at making pictures than I am.

peter
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PostSubject: Re: The collection   Mon 3 Dec - 23:59

Hi Peter,

which species do you have in your collection - generally viperas or others too? Can´t wait to see the other pictures!
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PostSubject: Re: The collection   Tue 4 Dec - 0:33

Hi Hendrik,

Generally Viperids yes, Vipera ammodytes (ammodytes, meridionalis and "ruffoi" ) aspis franscisciredi, Montivipera raddei (raddei and "kurdistanica") xanthina, albizona, Macrovipera schweizeri, Pseudocerastes persicus, Cerastes vipera, Echis carinatus sochureki, Calloselasma, a few Crotalus and a lot more..

Soleya requested me to make an account of my own.. I'l do that in a few days, but I leave the photo's to her.. she's better at that..
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PostSubject: Re: The collection   Tue 4 Dec - 4:06

Hello Peter,

ok, now you got clear what you´ve got.
Congratulations to your collection.

I wish Soleya a quick recovery,
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PostSubject: Re: The collection   Tue 4 Dec - 21:32

Here are some other pictures of the animals around here..

Macrovipera schweizeri





Pseudocerastes persicus





Aspidelaps lubricus lubricus







Vipera ammodytes ruffoi









Echis carinatus sochureki



Cerastes vipera





Vipera ammodytes meridionalis




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PostSubject: Re: The collection   Wed 5 Dec - 0:48

Hello,
congratulation, beautiful snakes.
Have you from Macrovipera schweizeri only the gray form or is the red form also in your Cage?

best regards Manni
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PostSubject: Re: The collection   Wed 5 Dec - 2:59

Hey Manfred,

my boyfriend only has the grey form, 2 males and 3 females, they are part of a breeding project, a friend of us also got some..
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PostSubject: Re: The collection   Tue 11 Dec - 23:01

Here are some pictures of the Vipera ammodytes ruffoi couple











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PostSubject: Re: The collection   Wed 12 Dec - 0:20

I am missing a nice Black specimen.. Wink

B/r Michiel
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PostSubject: Re: The collection   Wed 12 Dec - 1:23

Yeah I know.. The male showed himself this morning, but while I was getting the camera he crawled back in to his hiding space..

Still hoping to shoot some pics of them soon tough Wink!


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