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PostSubject: What viper?   Sat 13 Sep - 18:33

Thanks to Mario Schweiger, Austria, for his allowance to post one of his viper pictures here:

But what kind of european viper do you see here?
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PostSubject: Re: What viper?   Sun 14 Sep - 0:41

If I should guess it coud be (Monte?)Vipera xanthina.
I was shure that only grey ones exists but at this link you see a brown colored without black borders -->
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_rlWZ5cLXwRw/R764uGn3j7I/AAAAAAAACA8/velKk2L7rA4/xanthina.jpg

So Vipera xanthina might has a greater variety of colors like Vipera ammodytes has.

But it is only a guess from a non european viper connoisseur Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: What viper?   Sun 14 Sep - 1:06

Sorry Jörg, zero points.

A little help: the genus Montivipera is not involved (but Montivipera would be correct for xanthina)

Try it again!

By the way: How was the Hamm show today?

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PostSubject: Re: What viper?   Sun 14 Sep - 1:46

Maybe Vipera Aspis Hugyi or Montecristi??
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PostSubject: Re: What viper?   Sun 14 Sep - 2:21

Congrats, Gavin, closer then Jörg!
Aspis isn't that bad, but still not the whole truth.
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PostSubject: Re: What viper?   Sun 14 Sep - 2:26

Hi Peter,

I think it`s hybrid between Vipera aspis and Vipera ammodytes.... But, maybe I am wrong... Wink

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PostSubject: Re: What viper?   Sun 14 Sep - 2:55

Almost correct, Peter.
Not a hybrid between Vipera aspis and Vipera ammodytes, but Vipera ammodytes ("ruffoi") and Vipera aspis (francisciredi)
These animals were "produced" unintendend by Mario SCHWEIGER in Austria.
All further breeding experiments failed, crossing with a sister resulted in unfertilized eggs, crossing with other ammodytes in stillborn, crippled young.
The picture of this magnificent male specimen was taken a couple of days ago at the age of almost 20 years.
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PostSubject: Re: What viper?   Sun 14 Sep - 19:29

Hello,

here a portrait pic of his sister.
Also a nice one, I think! Rolling Eyes



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PostSubject: Re: What viper?   Sat 1 May - 5:11

Good work. Nice hybrid.
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