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PostSubject: Leptodeira, chrysopelea, psamodynastes...   Sat 16 Jun - 22:32

Hi,
Somes pics of my snakes:

Leptodeira annulata(I have 6 of thems)









My female Psammodynastes pulverulentus











My male Chrysoplea paradisi







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PostSubject: Re: Leptodeira, chrysopelea, psamodynastes...   Sun 17 Jun - 2:34

Great looking animals. Do you mind telling us what they are feeding on?
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PostSubject: Re: Leptodeira, chrysopelea, psamodynastes...   Sun 17 Jun - 2:39

I feed them with lizards and frogs like Hemidactylus, Lygodactylus, Racophorus...
The Psammodynastes also eat small snakes like young Thamnophis.
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PostSubject: Re: Leptodeira, chrysopelea, psamodynastes...   Sun 17 Jun - 4:07

Hi Jason ;

Beautiful snakes that you maintain, they are all beauties!
My preference will go to Chrysoplea paradise I love you
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PostSubject: Re: Leptodeira, chrysopelea, psamodynastes...   Sun 17 Jun - 4:13

Very nice snake's

Grts From Holland
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PostSubject: leptodeira   Mon 18 Jun - 2:35

Jason,

Out of curiosity, do you know where your Leptodeira were imported from? Have you tried to switch them over to mice? Nice pics.

Michael
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PostSubject: Re: Leptodeira, chrysopelea, psamodynastes...   Mon 18 Jun - 3:07

Hi,
No, I don't know from where they were imported, but I think from Surinam.
I don't try to feed them with mouse, because my point is, in wild, they eats frogs and lizards, so, I think if they don't eat rodents it's for a good reason and I keep to feeds them with they wild preys.
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PostSubject: Re: Leptodeira, chrysopelea, psamodynastes...   Mon 18 Jun - 3:54

Hi Jason,

a lot of snakes eat evertything in the "wild".
I had severall genera in the past who eat only frogs or lizards in literature...
in captive care they ate everything with a bit help without problems...

Just have a look, if they´ll eat scented items, if not...

give the lizards and frogs! As you did
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PostSubject: Re: Leptodeira, chrysopelea, psamodynastes...   Mon 18 Jun - 5:06

i have to agree with Jason on this one feeding a natural diet with wild amphibians and insects may be the way to go , sure these items might harbor Protozoa's, Amoebiasis,Coccidiosis, and Cestodes , Trematodes, Nematodes even Flukes, etc. but think of the quality of life for the specimen now in captivity, switching over to lab bred "organic" rodents and treating with products like Ivomec, Metronidazole (flagyl) etc. may be too much of a stressor.

Brilliant, Leptodeira specimen BTW, well defined post orbital stripe.
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PostSubject: Re: Leptodeira, chrysopelea, psamodynastes...   Mon 18 Jun - 6:22

Hi Jason Smile

Sorry my english (google translate).
Glad to Ch. paradisi like Smile .
Already eats?
Good luck in searching for females.
If I know something new (Indonesia) Writing Wink .
Beautiful Leptodeira. over time and perhaps there will me ...

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PostSubject: Re: Leptodeira, chrysopelea, psamodynastes...   Mon 18 Jun - 6:34

Fabian Dirks wrote:
Hi Jason,

a lot of snakes eat evertything in the "wild".
I had severall genera in the past who eat only frogs or lizards in literature...
in captive care they ate everything with a bit help without problems...

Just have a look, if they´ll eat scented items, if not...

give the lizards and frogs! As you did

I think, that's just my point, that rodents are more difficult to digested than frogs or lizards, so feed this snakes only with rodents, maybe that's would be a problem, so I preffer give them lizards to avoid some potentials problems.

Daniel Revaj wrote:
Hi Jason

Sorry my english (google translate).
Glad to Ch. paradisi like .
Already eats?
Good luck in searching for females.
If I know something new (Indonesia) Writing .
Beautiful Leptodeira. over time and perhaps there will me ...

Revaj


Hi Daniel

Yes, it ate on thursday without problems.
Maybe I've found somes female for Hamm in september, I have to wait...
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PostSubject: Re: Leptodeira, chrysopelea, psamodynastes...   Mon 18 Jun - 6:44

I'm glad everything is okay.
If there were more females, let me know, I would certainly took some Smile .
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PostSubject: Re: Leptodeira, chrysopelea, psamodynastes...   Mon 18 Jun - 6:58

It's from an importer, so I hope he can have somes regularly, I will let you know Wink
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PostSubject: Leptodeira - mice or lizards?   Tue 19 Jun - 23:25

My personal viewpoint on whether to feed a natural diet or an artificial diet like rodents depends upon the species. Certain species like Atheris hispidus don't seem to do well on rodents (at least that has been my impression), however, other species don't seem to miss a heart beat when switched to rodents.

There are certainly stressors that captivity produces. Although parasites may be kept "in check" in the wild, it has been the opinion of many people that the stress that animals face in captivity allows parasites to take hold and become a problem. For instance, I have had an adult female Leptodeira annulata and a Morelia variegata that developed subcutaneous lumps which proved to be tapeworms. They could be surgically removed, but the tapeworm drug at the time (Droncit I believe) was not effective on the subcutaneous type of tapeworm. Hence, they could continually develop more lumps. I have also had extensive experience with dwarf boas of the Ungaliophis genus and have lost several due to parasite transmission from feeder anoles. In one case about 15 years ago I lost 3 males within a 6 week period that were kept in the same cage (all were anole feeders). These were irreplaceable snakes, so I have been sensitive to feeding wild caught feeder animals such as frogs and lizards since then.

I have kept (for years) and bred Leptodeira that have been switched over to rodents successfully. While they may feed predominately on frogs in the wild, they take other food as well. To each his own, but why take a chance especially when many (but not all) animals can be switched over to a commercially viable food such as rodents?

Just an opinion

Michael
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