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Gerbrand Voorhorst
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PostSubject: Vipera ammodytes ammodytes   Thu 7 Jun - 21:56

Baby's 7 stuks today



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PostSubject: Re: Vipera ammodytes ammodytes   Thu 7 Jun - 22:24

Such different patterns! They are so beautiful!

My congratulations!
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PostSubject: Re: Vipera ammodytes ammodytes   Fri 8 Jun - 6:01

Hi ;

All my congratulations, really pure happiness Very Happy
They are splendid I love you
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PostSubject: Re: Vipera ammodytes ammodytes   Fri 8 Jun - 13:16

Hello Gerbrand,

very nice babies. Do you know where their ancestors are from?

Congratulations,
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PostSubject: Re: Vipera ammodytes ammodytes   Fri 8 Jun - 17:25

Hi,
they are looking very goog ! Remember me to Austrian ammodytes, more the males!
It would be very nice to see parents, whenyou have a shot from them.
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PostSubject: Re: Vipera ammodytes ammodytes   Fri 8 Jun - 17:32

Like this one Wink



Btw. nice offspring, congrats !
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PostSubject: Re: Vipera ammodytes ammodytes   Sat 9 Jun - 14:27

Yes Andre, like this.

There are some poulaions in Austriua, that ,,looks alike´´ the offsprings from Gerbrand. I will be not suprised, when they are from one of the known places there.
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PostSubject: Re: Vipera ammodytes ammodytes   Sat 9 Jun - 15:39

I' mot sure these are Austrian ammodytes.
In southermost Carinthia, the picture from Andre seems to show a male specimen from there, both males and females have a grey colour, and the females do not have any head markings except a rudimentary rest of a lyra-shaped marking, which is typical for austrian ammodytes. Furthermore, the lateral blotches in females are too well defined, at least in the female on the right. Southermost austrian ammodytes females do have no or almost no side blotches.
In other parts of Carinthia (and Styria), the males are usually grey, not brown.
Austrian ammodytes usually have orange to brick-red tail tips, at least one of the juveniles (male on the left) has a yellowish one.
Maybe they will change colours after a few sheds, but usually not in a very important way.
Difficult to define, if nothing is known about their provenance - there's the possibility of a mix too....
Pictures of the parents would be interesting.
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PostSubject: Re: Vipera ammodytes ammodytes   Mon 18 Jun - 19:08

The ancestors are from Lake Scutari Montenegro and al my 3 females has givven birth this jear,I nou have a total of 13
Here is a picture



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PostSubject: Re: Vipera ammodytes ammodytes   Mon 18 Jun - 19:33

This are 2 of my females.






And this is the male



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PostSubject: Re: Vipera ammodytes ammodytes   Mon 18 Jun - 22:15

Hello Gerbrand,
thank you for the information and additional photos.
Seeing only the 7 babies on the first photo I would not have said they are from Montenegro/Lake Skutari, looking at the adults it´s quite plausible.

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