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PostSubject: Vipera aspis aspis   Wed 10 Aug - 6:10

Today itīs done. My first hot are moved in. Just a few pictures I take after they moved in. Better pictures will follow.

Vipera aspis aspis CB 10

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female





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PostSubject: Re: Vipera aspis aspis   Wed 10 Aug - 15:26

Congratulations Tanja to your new addition, nice looking Aspis. Good luck with them!
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PostSubject: Re: Vipera aspis aspis   Thu 11 Aug - 1:30

congrats to Tanja existence, you are nicest as your aspis :lol Laughing drunken
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PostSubject: Re: Vipera aspis aspis   Thu 11 Aug - 5:21

Well done Tanja, you have picked a great snake to start off with. Good luck with these.
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PostSubject: Re: Vipera aspis aspis   Thu 11 Aug - 19:00

Wow, Iīm surprised. The male donīt care to hide, he shows himself a lot of times around the sunspot. The female only is hide most of time.


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PostSubject: Re: Vipera aspis aspis   Thu 11 Aug - 20:10

Snakes are coming under hide spot only if they need: pregnancy, digestion, change the skin. Maybe your male need less of heat thant his female.
Vipera aspis zinnikeri ? from which locality ?
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PostSubject: Re: Vipera aspis aspis   Thu 11 Aug - 20:30

aspis aspis. Locality is france. Exact place the breeder donīt know :-(

That with the sunspot is obvious. Iīm surprised that he donīt hide after transport, new place and so on. My other ones where hide the first few days after moving in.
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PostSubject: Re: Vipera aspis aspis   Thu 11 Aug - 20:33

the design is typical zinnikerei. Jean-Henri ? When you buy a snike, it's important to know the exact locality.
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PostSubject: Re: Vipera aspis aspis   Sat 13 Aug - 16:11

Nice aspis.

You are gooing to have much fun careing for these. Vipera sp. is very interesting snakes.

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PostSubject: Re: Vipera aspis aspis   Sat 13 Aug - 19:03

I hope so. But I love them already. He is nearly always on his way, she is more hidden but come out early afternoon. He is almost a bit nosey.



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PostSubject: Re: Vipera aspis aspis   Sat 13 Aug - 20:13

wow! nice aspis. I like your little orange female Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Vipera aspis aspis   Sat 13 Aug - 23:44

Tanja, Sweet Animals !! I just got my first Vipera aspis aspis this year......... LOVE THEM !!! Good Luck with them and keep us posted !! bounce
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PostSubject: Re: Vipera aspis aspis   Sun 14 Aug - 1:24

Thanks. I like both. I could not decide with one I like more. So I take both. I like the almost red female and I like the contrast of the black/grey of the male
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PostSubject: Re: Vipera aspis aspis   Sun 14 Aug - 17:59

somebody can confirm or not about zinnikeri ?
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PostSubject: Re: Vipera aspis aspis   Sun 14 Aug - 18:34

This aspis looks more like aspis aspis to me...in my opinion looks a zinnikerei like these...







And to compare aspis aspis from france






So my guess is the animals from the TS are V. aspis aspis
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PostSubject: Re: Vipera aspis aspis   Sun 14 Aug - 20:10

Andre thanks for your opinion. I thought the same. But you have seen a lot more of aspis than I so your opinion is more worth than my.
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PostSubject: Re: Vipera aspis aspis   Tue 16 Aug - 16:43

pierre-yves vaucher wrote:
somebody can confirm or not about zinnikeri ?

What do not you convinced?
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PostSubject: Re: Vipera aspis aspis   Tue 16 Aug - 16:57

the stripes on the back, and some color... I sent a mail to Philippe Geniez.
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PostSubject: Re: Vipera aspis aspis   Tue 16 Aug - 21:48

In fact the line is amazing. I could still see different Vipera aspis atra (I know that many do not recognize more ... Laughing ) in Switzerland, with a clear line on the back.

For example, this is a Female met her last year





The speech is still interesting. Expect other opinions and observations and see what it says Mr. Geniez.


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PostSubject: Re: Vipera aspis aspis   Wed 17 Aug - 4:18

Pierre-Yves, the male look like more zinnikeri, but we can't be sure, cause we don't know the locality.....the female is definitively aspis aspis......

Greg: the last picture is absolutly awsome ! A very beautifull snake! Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Vipera aspis aspis   Wed 17 Aug - 5:18

JHP = I agree
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PostSubject: Re: Vipera aspis aspis   Wed 17 Aug - 21:24

I contact the breeder. Perhaps he want to tell something here on board. We will see.
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PostSubject: Re: Vipera aspis aspis   Wed 24 Aug - 21:25

The answer of Philippe Geniez is clear:
"yes absolutely [is it a male zinnikeri?], but are you sure it's a male? Where is it ?????? I would like that in the Aquitaine coast is! but also perhaps of Spain."
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PostSubject: Re: Vipera aspis aspis   Thu 25 Aug - 1:29

The answer of the breeder is: that both animals have the same mother.

So it is unlikely that one mother produce animals with different subspecies in one litter. When you are sure that the female is aspis apsis and the male aspis zinnikeri then how this is to explain?

I trust the breeder and I bet some of you will know him also. So I donīt think he was selling wrong declared animals. I think he even donīt have aspis zinnikeri (I donīt see them while I was at his place).

Perhaps it is just a variation?

I donīt know. But I know that I like these animals and Iīm happy to bought them both
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PostSubject: Re: Vipera aspis aspis   Thu 25 Aug - 1:42

for me, it's just a nice couple of aspis aspis..... I see no problem for this identification. Wink
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