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David Guerra
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PostSubject: Vipera ammodytes male 2011   Fri 29 Jul - 19:07

Hello,
just two pics of my first venomous snakes. a young vipera ammodytes ammodytes (scutari lake) CB2011 (thanks to Michael Corboz Wink






and his terra:


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PostSubject: Re: Vipera ammodytes male 2011   Fri 29 Jul - 19:13

Congrats with the first one David! Very Happy

Cheers, Ro.
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PostSubject: Re: Vipera ammodytes male 2011   Fri 29 Jul - 19:21

thanks Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Vipera ammodytes male 2011   Fri 29 Jul - 19:28

He's looking really good.

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PostSubject: Re: Vipera ammodytes male 2011   Fri 29 Jul - 20:06

I really love those sandvipers... Congratulations with your first venomous, David.
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PostSubject: Re: Vipera ammodytes male 2011   Fri 29 Jul - 20:17

thanks!
And is search for him a nice orange-red female from scutari.... someone can help me in my search?
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PostSubject: Re: Vipera ammodytes male 2011   Fri 29 Jul - 20:45

Hello David,
this is a beautiful snake but are you absolutely sure about the locality?

Do you have any photos of the parents?

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PostSubject: Re: Vipera ammodytes male 2011   Fri 29 Jul - 20:55

yes. the two parents are yellow and from the scutary lake.
sorry i will see with the breeders who sell me this young if they are pics of parents and if it's possible, i post the pics here.
why you ask that? you think it's not to skutari?
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PostSubject: Re: Vipera ammodytes male 2011   Fri 29 Jul - 22:09

Hello David,
V. ammodytes from the Lake Skutari-area are extremely variable in pattern and color. You can find any color in V. ammod. there that is possible within the whole species at any location, though most are grey or greyish-brown. And you can very rarely find animals that look very much like typical V. ammodytes meridionalis (pattern, shape).
As your´s looks very much like meridionalis from Macedonia, I asked you wether you are sure about the locality and if you can post any photos of the parents. I did not want to say it is not from the Skutari-area. It would just be a specimen that has a pattern that is very rare in that area.
But maybe it would be interesting for you to be sure and to be able to find the right female for breeding with this male.

You can find photos of a number of Skutaro-Ammodytes here:
http://www.venomland.net/t3266-more-scutari-vipera-a-ammodytes
and more in other posts on Venomland.

No question, that is a beautiful male and he´ll probably be more beautiful when he´ll be bigger. Congratulations,
Rainer
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PostSubject: Re: Vipera ammodytes male 2011   Sat 30 Jul - 0:33

thanks for your answer.
can you propose me the right female? because I think you have a big collection of skutari lake ammodytes... Wink
nice pics in your topic!
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PostSubject: Re: Vipera ammodytes male 2011   Sat 30 Jul - 4:13

If you find out that it really is a Lake Skutari ammodytes, you can take any female from that area, it´s just a matter of taste.
If it´s not, maybe it´s possible to find out where your male is from and then find a fitting female. I don´t think that should be too difficult.

Photos of the parents and siblings (and maybe grandparents or other relatives) would be very helpful.
What color is the underside of his tail?

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PostSubject: Re: Vipera ammodytes male 2011   Sat 30 Jul - 10:12

Congrats on first vens, u need to post in 12months with update of vens inventory as I doubt it will remain at just this 1-It is a good ADDICTION!
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PostSubject: Re: Vipera ammodytes male 2011   Mon 1 Aug - 2:10

Hi David,

Beautifull snake!
@Rainer: No doubt about the locality, i have the grand parents of this little male Laughing
(Grand parents are my bigs yellow ones on venomland).....Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Vipera ammodytes male 2011   Tue 2 Aug - 4:24

Hello Jean-Henri,
then the location is clear. Like I wrote, the question came to me because the male has a very unusual though not impossible pattern for a Skutari-V. ammod., more typical for V. a. meridionalis.

Hello David,
so it should be no problem to find a beautiful lady for him.

Good luck with him and for your way as a keeper of venomous snakes. V. ammodytes is a good start.

Rainer
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PostSubject: Re: Vipera ammodytes male 2011   Sat 6 Aug - 23:31

thanks all for your post.
For the color of the tail. It's yellow,a little orange. and I have reserved a little female for him.



this female is born at Gregoire Meier snakehouse and this is his pics.
I hope they will make a lot of babies Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Vipera ammodytes male 2011   Sun 7 Aug - 0:36

David Guerra wrote:
thanks all for your post.
For the color of the tail. It's yellow,a little orange. and I have reserved a little female for him.



this female is born at Gregoire Meier snakehouse and this is his pics.
I hope they will make a lot of babies Wink
David

Sorry David, but this snake is a male...... Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Vipera ammodytes male 2011   Sun 7 Aug - 1:58

ok, I have never seen this snake but I think meier has make a good identification.....
are you sure is a male?
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PostSubject: Re: Vipera ammodytes male 2011   Sun 7 Aug - 2:11

Yes i'm sure it's a male !
@Rainer....?
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PostSubject: Re: Vipera ammodytes male 2011   Sun 7 Aug - 2:41

I am sure it is a male too.
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PostSubject: Re: Vipera ammodytes male 2011   Sun 7 Aug - 4:12

I suppose it´s a male but I´m not absolutely sure. I´ve seen (very few) females that, judging from their pattern and color / contrast looked more like males than many males. The only way to be sure about their gender was looking at their tails. On this photo I´m not even sure about the shape of the tail. A photo of the tail from underneath would bring certainty.

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PostSubject: Re: Vipera ammodytes male 2011   Sun 7 Aug - 4:28

I wouldn't be surprised either if this is a female.

Cheers, Ro.
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PostSubject: Re: Vipera ammodytes male 2011   Sun 7 Aug - 4:34

like say Rainer nothing can be sure...But like that, as we can see the tail i will think to be a male......and about the coloration, no doubt......we have to waite now....Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Vipera ammodytes male 2011   Sun 7 Aug - 4:42

yes, i send a message to Gregoire for have more information. thanks for your comments.
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PostSubject: Re: Vipera ammodytes male 2011   Sun 7 Aug - 20:05

Are you sure that you say?

To leave some 'suspense .... I put the photo of the tail of three brothers and sisters, including Spotting that you believe is male.

Let's see how they judge seeing the tail from below:

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PostSubject: Re: Vipera ammodytes male 2011   Mon 8 Aug - 2:10

One thing is sure, the number 2 is a male......for the other, sorry but i have again a doubt, seems to be some females......
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