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Bradley Kologek
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PostSubject: Hybrid Bitis - gabino   Mon 20 Jun - 7:07

male 4 foot gabino. love this guy.




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PostSubject: Re: Hybrid Bitis - gabino   Mon 20 Jun - 8:10

Wonderfull animal. Excuse me, but what does gabino?

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PostSubject: Re: Hybrid Bitis - gabino   Mon 20 Jun - 8:44

Hi Alex,

i´s a hybrid: Bitis nasicornis x Bitis (gabonica) rhinoceros


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PostSubject: Re: Hybrid Bitis - gabino   Mon 20 Jun - 9:07

puta que pariu.... Fabulous animal...

How mani was borned ? They are fertile ?

escuseme my english !!!! kkk
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PostSubject: Re: Hybrid Bitis - gabino   Mon 20 Jun - 18:20

Bradley Kologek wrote:
male 4 foot gabino. love this guy.





The question that begs to be asked is why?
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PostSubject: Re: Hybrid Bitis - gabino   Mon 20 Jun - 18:38

Hi Scotty,

do you mean the question why this animal exists or rather why mate a Bitis gabonica with a Bitis nasicornis? Well, there are also hybrids of these species in nature, hybrids of Bitis arietans and Bitis gabonica as well. Ok, it´s an issue, but I think if they produce fertile offspring and have almost the same venom, there is a way to explain such "experiments". In my opinion the selective breeding of "scaleless" Bitis or Crotalus is much more abjective.

It´s a matter of taste. Essentially it should not go to expense of the animal.

Beautiful snake by the way Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Hybrid Bitis - gabino   Mon 20 Jun - 21:41

I understand Mr. Allen's question, precisely. Hybrid snakes do occur in the wild, just as polycephalic(two headed )specimens do, on occasion. In my view, to express doubt on the inferred rationale- that because freaks of nature are a known phenomenon in the wild, then, therefore, its acceptable to deliberately breed captive specimens in order to produce inbred novelties- is a legitimate question. Sincerely, Jon Davidson .
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PostSubject: Re: Hybrid Bitis - gabino   Mon 20 Jun - 23:07

Not bad! Thanks for posting.

I still prefer the relevant species though.
Nice Ithuris or gabs still beat the hybrids.
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PostSubject: Re: Hybrid Bitis - gabino   Tue 21 Jun - 2:45

the animal is a cross between rhinocerous and nasicornis both western locale animals. I agree that a good ituri blows this thing away. but i do like him too. I will get a good shot of the ituri soon and post it up, now that i learned how to post pictures. But i use a camera phone for all my pix, so the quality just isn't going to be there. Please forgive me.



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PostSubject: Re: Hybrid Bitis - gabino   Tue 21 Jun - 2:52

Nice animal.
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PostSubject: Re: Hybrid Bitis - gabino   Tue 21 Jun - 3:01

realy very nice these,i normaly dont like hybrids or morphs and stuff,but for these i make an execption Cool
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PostSubject: Re: Hybrid Bitis - gabino   Tue 21 Jun - 4:12

How would you describe the personality of the gabino? More like B. gabonica, or more like B. nasicornis? I always found B. nasicornis to be more aggressive of the two species.
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PostSubject: Re: Hybrid Bitis - gabino   Tue 21 Jun - 4:28

Wow, is that stunning!
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PostSubject: Re: Hybrid Bitis - gabino   Tue 21 Jun - 5:51

Really cool looking animal, Bradley. Someone on another forum I am on posted a picture of a WC gabonica x nasicornis hybrid. They also bred some F2 hybrids that looked pretty cool as well. What I found interested was that in the F2 offspring, some of the babies head shape/pattern took after the nasicornis lineage, while others took more after the gabonica lineage.

WC gaboon/rhino cross


CB F2 hybrid babies
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PostSubject: Re: Hybrid Bitis - gabino   Tue 21 Jun - 15:55

I'm not sure if they are fertile.

I am into frogs also, and sometimes in hybridizing the chromosomes don't line up correct and make sterile animals. SOmetimes in the frog offspring, the babies will grow up much larger in size in comparison to the parents.


those are nice specimens also Anthony


I think temperment depends on each individual animal and how its handler handles it. Most of these animals will settle down if they are handled correctly. Most.

i have seen rhinos that bob, and some that don't. I think the same goes for temperament. just my opinion.


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PostSubject: Re: Hybrid Bitis - gabino   Tue 21 Jun - 18:58

anthony lineberry wrote:
Really cool looking animal, Bradley. Someone on another forum I am on posted a picture of a WC gabonica x nasicornis hybrid. They also bred some F2 hybrids that looked pretty cool as well. What I found interested was that in the F2 offspring, some of the babies head shape/pattern took after the nasicornis lineage, while others took more after the gabonica lineage.

WC gaboon/rhino cross


CB F2 hybrid babies

Hi there,

very interesting. One has the head of an Gabonica, but the colour of a Nasicornis and reversed. How old are they now? Are there already details about their fertility?

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PostSubject: Re: Hybrid Bitis - gabino   Tue 21 Jun - 22:10

The pic of the F2 hybrids is really interesting.

I hope I can 'abuse' this thread a little bit...here are some pics of my now 2 1/2 year old Hybrid between Bitis arietans x Bitis nasicornis (Nashpuff)






I wonder in which direction it would tend...it behaves like a puff adder.
The preferred temperature is round about 28-30 degree. It reacts fastly stressfull and agressive and show the for puff adder typical defence behaviour incl. pumping, hissing and L-Form.

Regarding Bitis Hybrid´s...here are some of my personal aspects:

- Hybrid between B. arietans x B. gabonica and B. gabonica x B. nasicornis occur in nature/wildness. I think that Hybrid´s between B.arietans and B.nasicornis in the wildness are possible, too. They occur in the same countries/areas and maybe sometimes in the same Habitat. So I think this is not complete impossible.

- They are not a bluff package. You see that these Snakes are Hybrid´s. OK...in F2 Generation this can be maybe more difficult.

- The Venom composition. A bite of one of the group of the big Bitis is fatal. It doesn´t matter whether it has been a "pure" Bitis or a Hybrid bite. Anyway it´s a medical emergency.
I and some other people think that there will not develop/arise a complete new venom and the polyvalente Antivenin for the big Bitis group will fit/work out.
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PostSubject: Re: Hybrid Bitis - gabino   Wed 22 Jun - 22:30

Damn those both look nice!
But I really love that nasipuff!

Hmm.. should I get arientas male for my "ituri" nasi female Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Hybrid Bitis - gabino   Tue 12 Jul - 23:01

wow i don't belive!!!! that hibryd soy crazy colors.... but so beutifull.. great job!! is not naturally of the evolution. but realy so beautifull..... very nice!!! i like your snakes... jejeje
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PostSubject: Re: Hybrid Bitis - gabino   Tue 12 Jul - 23:31

quite the opposite! hybridation is part of evolution! there are a lot of papers about it all, humans, bears, fish, every groups are concerned.
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PostSubject: Re: Hybrid Bitis - gabino   Thu 14 Jul - 4:01

My opinion is that all shown hybrids dont look that much diffrent then the normal gaboons, nasis or puffs.
And to be really honest. The hybrids mis something what makes gaboons, nasicornises and arietans so special.

They are (with parviocula) Bitis's biggest and are individually so diffrent from each other.
And that's what makes the big Bitises verry special.
You lose that diversity with hybrids.

On the other hand, I do find it interesting when it occurs in the wild.
But the normals look so much better cheers .

Really..no hard feeling.
Greetings,
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PostSubject: Re: Hybrid Bitis - gabino   Mon 15 Oct - 1:51

Oh! Very nice variants!
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PostSubject: Re: Hybrid Bitis - gabino   Mon 15 Oct - 2:46

My reaction after seeing the photos in this thread


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PostSubject: Re: Hybrid Bitis - gabino   Mon 15 Oct - 4:15

Arjan Breedveld wrote:
'My opinion is that all shown hybrids dont look that much diffrent then the normal gaboons, nasis or puffs.
And to be really honest. The hybrids mis something what makes gaboons, nasicornises and arietans so special.

They are (with parviocula) Bitis's biggest and are individually so diffrent from each other.
And that's what makes the big Bitises verry special.
You lose that diversity with hybrids.

On the other hand, I do find it interesting when it occurs in the wild.
But the normals look so much better cheers .

Really..no hard feeling'.
My thoughts exactly; and well said, Mr. Breedveld. Sincerely, Jon Davidson .
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