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PostSubject: my two birds   Mon 30 May - 22:19

here couple of pic's from my birds


and 7 week old elclectus

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PostSubject: Re: my two birds   Tue 31 May - 2:09

nice male Eclectus, i wish him the best!
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PostSubject: Re: my two birds   Wed 1 Jun - 7:21

Nice birds:) Hopefully your not teaching them to swear:)
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PostSubject: Re: my two birds   Wed 1 Jun - 22:50

Part of Eclectus , Natural history, shows some form of role reversal between the male and the female parent where the female builds the nest and feeds the chicks , while the male sits on the eggs.
The male soon tires of this activity and leaves the nest unguarded ect,.


Oscar Wilde , Poet and armatuer ornithologist, wrote while at Oxford : While it is nobel and fitting for a female to adapt male characteristics , the same does not apply vise versa.

Beautiful birds,

Albert.
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PostSubject: Re: my two birds   Thu 2 Jun - 4:53

Albert J. Montejo wrote:
Part of Eclectus , Natural history, shows some form of role reversal between the male and the female parent where the female builds the nest and feeds the chicks , while the male sits on the eggs.
The male soon tires of this activity and leaves the nest unguarded ect,.

What is the source of information for your post? Everything I've read, heard, or seen, indicates the hen takes an active role in caring for the eggs, while the male protects the nest and continues to feed the hen. Typically, the male is not permitted inside the nest box once the eggs are laid, and no, the male is not permitted to sit on the eggs. I'm not referring to incompatible pairs or problems caused by stress or environmental disturbances in captive breedings.

In nature, the process is the same, with the female raising the chicks, beginning with hatching the eggs. Typically, there is no role reversal with compatible Eclectus pairs.

"Eclectus Parrots", By Katy McElroy, published by Barrons is an excellent, basic, manual with a chapter on breeding.

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PostSubject: Re: my two birds   Thu 2 Jun - 5:43

Good afternoon, to you Ms. April Mandell.

Let me get right to the point and anwser your inquires.

My first reference , to role reversal came from Oscar Wilde's Masterpiece "The Importance of Being Earnest" (1895).

b) another was from ,

New Worlds , New Animals

From Menagerie to Zoological Park
in the Nineteeth Century.

Edited by R.J. Hoage and Williams A. Deiss

note, A catalog record for this book is available from the British Library.
ISBN 0-8018-5110-6 ISBN 0-8018- 5373-7 (pbk)


chapter : THE AMERICAN SCENE ,
American Showmen and European Dealers:
Commerce in Wild Animals in The Nineteenth-Century America/ pg. 97

addtl: i must admit my taste for arcane literature may be a bit outdated .

Cheers ,

Albert.

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PostSubject: Re: my two birds   Thu 2 Jun - 5:59

LOL - that's it, Ms. (Mrs.?) Mandel.

Who could beat references like these?

Quote :
American Showmen and European Dealers:

LOL again

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PostSubject: Re: my two birds   Thu 2 Jun - 6:04

Try this reference gentlemen.

Sincerely ,

Albert.


http://info.anu.edu.au/ovc/media/Media_Releases/2005/July/220705eclectus
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PostSubject: Re: my two birds   Thu 2 Jun - 6:09

Albert J. Montejo wrote:
addtl: i must admit my taste for arcane literature may be a bit outdated .

Cheers ,

Albert.


It isn't a question of being outdated, it's the inaccuracy that's troublesome.

"Observations in the wild suggest that each vertebrate species tends to have a characteristic mating system. An understanding of these various social structures in nature can therefore enable us to approximate more closely a similar situation in captivity.

"...Only the hen incubates the eggs..."

pp.113, 114, "A Guide to...Eclectus Parrots As Pet & Aviary Birds" Revised Edition, by Dr. Rob Marshall and Ian Ward

ABK Publications 2004
PO Box 6288
South Tweed Heads
NSW 2486 Australia

This, by the way, is a wonderful book, one that I wholeheartedly recommend to anyone with an interest in the Eclectus.
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PostSubject: Re: my two birds   Thu 2 Jun - 6:18

Ms. Mandell, may i politely ask you to read above post,.
You Madame, are simply correct , this " updating" , may be what Raymond Hoser was referencing to, in his participation, of two lovely snakes.

Wonderful summer and hope you are well, Ms. Mandell,

Sincerely ,

Albert.
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PostSubject: Re: my two birds   Thu 2 Jun - 6:21

Albert J. Montejo wrote:
Try this reference gentlemen.

Sincerely ,

Albert.


http://info.anu.edu.au/ovc/media/Media_Releases/2005/July/220705eclectus

Where does it say that the male sits on the eggs?
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PostSubject: Re: my two birds   Thu 2 Jun - 16:44

Dear April ,

Maybe, this reference can help you , these researchers have more than 75 pairs of Eclectus this is what they have learned .

http://www.starescue.org/htm/species/parrot-eclectus.htm

Best,

Albert.
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PostSubject: Re: my two birds   Fri 3 Jun - 2:52

Typical behavior is the male not entering the nest box. Sometimes, the male will enter the nest box, but usually not. The reason is fear, yet, if the male enters the nest box, he learns that there is nothing to be afraid of, and sometimes the male helps out.

Typical behavior is the male not sitting on the eggs. Rarely, the male will sit on the eggs.

The best source of typical behavior is the natural habitat, not in a rescue center where many heavily stressed animals are maintained. When posting a message on this website, I confine my responses to typical behavior from relevant sources. If a particular behavior is observed 10% of the time, I do not include it as typical behavior, and if a particular behavior is observed on rare occasions from stressed specimens, I do not include it as typical behavior either.

My Eclectus, Ginger, is fond of Cheerios. This is not typical Eclectus behavior. In nature, Eclectus do not eat breakfast cereal. If I were to write an article on Eclectus diet, I would speak of fruits and vegetables; I would not include breakfast cereal.

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PostSubject: Re: my two birds   Fri 3 Jun - 7:18

April,

Great picture. Froot Loops would have been hilarious. Give that bird a job!
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PostSubject: Re: my two birds   Sun 5 Jun - 1:53

Eclectus cannot digest dairy products, so I only share my Cheerios with Ginger once a month or so although I'll sometimes give them to her without milk.

Ginger also likes Jello and apple sauce-she prefers the cinnamon flavored.

Froot Loops have a dye which can dull the feathers. Some commercial bird pellets have the same dye.

WARNING!
Neither Jello, Cheerios or apple sauce are found in trees, and are NOT part of a natural diet.

Albert J. Montejo, please do not cite Jello, Cheerios, or apple sauce as part of the natural Eclectus diet quoting me as a reference!
Thank you.

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PostSubject: Re: my two birds   Tue 7 Jun - 6:25

That's why dogs make such great pets, ANYTHING they can scavange is natural.
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PostSubject: Re: my two birds   Wed 8 Jun - 2:22

Kelly Chabak wrote:
That's why dogs make such great pets, ANYTHING they can scavange is natural.

Kinda like people!
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