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Neven Vrbanic
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PostSubject: Scaleless B. arietans   Tue 23 Nov - 3:09

Today my female drop 43 babies! Beautiful little snakes :-) just like in two previous clutches (she gives birth every other year) there are few scaleless babies among them... as always wierd guys... :-))

As far as second photo is concern - I keep mu female rhynocerus with my arietans in large terrarium and that is why there is a photo of baby arietans on rhyno body! :-)














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PostSubject: Re: Scaleless B. arietans   Tue 23 Nov - 3:15

Awsome, grats.. How come that a few of the babies become scaleless?
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PostSubject: Re: Scaleless B. arietans   Tue 23 Nov - 5:09

To be honest, I do not know... I got my pair of Arietans from normal clutch back in 2004. so the parents and grandparents of these babies are normal. But every time my female gave birth there are a few scaleless babies among them.
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PostSubject: Re: Scaleless B. arietans   Tue 23 Nov - 6:42

Congrats mate! That's a lot of youngsters!

Cheers, Ro.
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PostSubject: Re: Scaleless B. arietans   Tue 23 Nov - 14:15

Just out of curiosity, do scaleless snakes need specific care compared to regularly scaled snakes? IE Do they require lubricating, higher humidity, does cage decor need to be changed to accommodate a presumably more sensitive body?
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PostSubject: Re: Scaleless B. arietans   Tue 23 Nov - 16:21

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How come that a few of the babies become scaleless?
I guess it's a recessive defect mutation, and both of the parents are heterozygous for that.
I once had a litter of 44 - 11 of'em were scaleless - a coincidental exact splitting of scaleless and
66% het. scaleless.


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PostSubject: Re: Scaleless B. arietans   Tue 23 Nov - 17:16

Yes Peter,
you are right, the parents are heterozygous (on one gene) for "scaleless".
Hello Asbjorn,
I know the origin of the parents, from that line you get scaleless babies by breeding certain specimens to certain others.
The - statistical - ratio in such breeding is 25% scaleless (of course homozygous ones), 50% scaled but het. for scaleless and 25% scaled and homozygous for scaled.

Neven: a nice bunch of beautiful babies! As I know the parents, I would only expect very nice babies.

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PostSubject: Re: Scaleless B. arietans   Tue 23 Nov - 17:27

Nice clutch Neven. Congratulations. If you'll have some Scaleless to give away please let me know.

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PostSubject: Re: Scaleless B. arietans   Wed 24 Nov - 5:33

Thank you guys! Yes both Peter and Rainer are correct. And Peter I actually think that my parents came from your line of Arietans via mutual friend from Austria who got them from you. :-)

Rob, I usually just keep scaleless a bit more humid, especially during sheding time. Sometimes they would not shed if I did not give them enough humidity so I would soak an animal in plastic box and that shedding will be ok. That happened only once in a while. But as far as other aspects, everything else is similar. They grow normal, eat normal...
Last year I sold a female that was 2 years old and about 40cm. My adult Arietans are around 70-80cm not more.
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PostSubject: Re: Scaleless B. arietans   Mon 29 Nov - 14:40

Thanks Neven
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PostSubject: Re: Scaleless B. arietans   Wed 12 Jan - 22:45

How is shedding with the scaleless? Do they shed easily? or are there any difficulties?
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PostSubject: Re: Scaleless B. arietans   Thu 13 Jan - 3:49

Thanx also from me. Owesome snake and a pissy little one.

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PostSubject: Re: Scaleless B. arietans   Thu 13 Jan - 4:34

Scaleless do require to be kept a bit more humid, and at the time of shedding it is good to give them some misting. If you do that, they will shed without problems.
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PostSubject: Re: Scaleless B. arietans   Thu 13 Jan - 5:15

OK.. thanks for that info..
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PostSubject: Re: Scaleless B. arietans   Thu 13 Jan - 8:23

That's cool you got the scaleless without expecting any the first time around. It's an interesting anomaly for sure...
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PostSubject: Re: Scaleless B. arietans   Fri 14 Jan - 2:44

Mike Spencer wrote:
That's cool you got the scaleless without expecting any the first time around. It's an interesting anomaly for sure...

As I know, Neven had Scaleless B.Arietans before that, but i might be wrong.

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