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PostSubject: latastei hibernation   Sat 9 Oct - 17:32


At what temperatures do you hibernate your latastei`s and for how long?

Also, do you think it is important that they start hibernating since their first winter or its better to start hibernating them when they are adult or subadult?

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PostSubject: Re: latastei hibernation   Sat 9 Oct - 22:18

Hello Jaime,
it depend on the origin of the latastei! You know it better than we. You live in Spain. Did you have some from the northern mountain. Areas you have to hibernate them cool. If you have some from the south coast, the don磘 need such along and cool periode to hibernate.
One of the most important thinks is the humidity. I have hiobernate the southern form (gaditana) on a dry surface, no water inside the hibernaculum. But I put some wet Towels in the hibernate room to push the humidity a little bit higher. Maby latastei and specialy gaditana don磘 need this. But in the same room I have had a lot of europ. Viper species!
Fot gaditana I have make the hibernation time not more than 6-8 weeks. Temp. maby not under 8-10癈. The ,,warmest创 place in this room.
For latastei from Burgos and some of Gredos I have use the ,,norm创 Temps that i have had here in the house. Sometimes 4癈 to maximum 6癈. Hib. Time 8-12 weeks, it has depend on the winter season here. No Problems when the winter is cool and long, Problems you will have, when in the hibernation time, the temps are rising higher. Then I have mostly stopped the hibernation and after a ,,warm-up创 time of two weeks I have start the ,,Spring Cyclus创.
It has worded by nearly all the Vipers I磛e keeped (Vipera, Macrovipera and Montivipera)

I have never start hibernating with there first year. Only when I have had candidates the has not feed by them self or when the are born very late in the year (October). Then I hibernate them also, but not longer than 6 weeks!
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PostSubject: Re: latastei hibernation   Tue 12 Oct - 16:31


Thankyou very much Peter,

The thing is, this is my first winter with my latastei latastei, it is very very nice, nearly white and grey, it comes from the province of Barcelona, in a small area where they resist but are very uncommon. In this area winters are long and hard with freezing temperatures every night, this is why i doubt with a baby i have, to how long make it hibernate or not make him hibernate?
I have no experience with latastei gaditana.

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PostSubject: Re: latastei hibernation   Wed 13 Oct - 3:46

Dear Jaime,
when your snakes feed all the time you offered food, then do not hibernate them. Only when the stopped feeding for more than 3-4 weeks. Maby then is the right time coming. But, when you don磘 hibernate them give it a periode of less light. Not the full day 14-15 hours, maby only 10 hours and a little bit less spot light. So, you simulate a ,,warm-winter创 season.
But, when it feeds - let it out of hibernation. It磗 only my opinion.
I can understand that you have a little bit scarry about to hibernate a offspring. In Nature the must hibernate, but not all will surrivive! Thats a fact! You want a 100% secure way, but there isn磘 a!
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PostSubject: Re: latastei hibernation   Wed 13 Oct - 5:39


Ok Peter,

what you say is true, so i will follow your advice ...

Do you have latasteis at the moment?

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PostSubject: Re: latastei hibernation   Fri 15 Oct - 13:39

No, I don磘 keep longer V. latastei.
I磍l keep both ssp. from dif. Locations. Did you are looking for more of them? Maby I can help you with some Spain contacts of mine. Please use PM for more Info.

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