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 Lake Scutari Locality Vipera ammodytes ammodytes

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PostSubject: Lake Scutari Locality Vipera ammodytes ammodytes   Sat 16 May - 3:44

This little female has been a problematic feeder but seems (I hope) to have settled and is doing good.

She is a nippy little girl and sloughed this afternoon.









And yes not *hit she is this colour!
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PostSubject: Re: Lake Scutari Locality Vipera ammodytes ammodytes   Sat 16 May - 6:56

W O W ! nice colored animal
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PostSubject: Re: Lake Scutari Locality Vipera ammodytes ammodytes   Sat 16 May - 18:08

Very nice!
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PostSubject: Re: Lake Scutari Locality Vipera ammodytes ammodytes   Sun 17 May - 2:21

very nice colored viper and nice pictures too:-)
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PostSubject: Re: Lake Scutari Locality Vipera ammodytes ammodytes   Mon 18 May - 14:54

As usual, Greame.. Nice shots!
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PostSubject: Re: Lake Scutari Locality Vipera ammodytes ammodytes   Mon 18 May - 15:25

Very good photos!
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PostSubject: Re: Lake Scutari Locality Vipera ammodytes ammodytes   Mon 18 May - 15:53

Wow! Are they always this colour from Lake Scutari?


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PostSubject: Re: Lake Scutari Locality Vipera ammodytes ammodytes   Mon 18 May - 15:58

Haha I cant seem to change to another topic. This snake is beautiful
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PostSubject: Re: Lake Scutari Locality Vipera ammodytes ammodytes   Thu 21 May - 1:11

Hi Graeme,
a beautiful specimen and very nice fotos.
Hello Rob:
They can have any colour and pattern that you can find in the species V. ammodytes. I´m doing fieldwork there for 39 years now (I returned just recently from there) and I can tell you that such bright orange ones are quite rare in nature. Most specimens are grey or brownish but the percentage of colourful ones is higher than in most other populations of V. amm. You can even find green ones (much rarer than red or orange ones) and higher in the mountains blue ones (extremely rare, I have only seen 2 really blue ones in my life).

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PostSubject: Re: Lake Scutari Locality Vipera ammodytes ammodytes   Thu 21 May - 1:55

Amazing specimen !

I really would love to have ammos looking like that in my own collection.

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PostSubject: Re: Lake Scutari Locality Vipera ammodytes ammodytes   Thu 21 May - 4:00

Hi Rainer.

Very interesting, do you have any pictures of the greens and blues, i'd love to see them

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PostSubject: Re: Lake Scutari Locality Vipera ammodytes ammodytes   Thu 21 May - 5:00

Hi Al,
I posted a foto of one that has green (among other colours) in Mario Lutz´s topic "Vipera ammodytes (scutari see) did anyone have picture?" on May 23th 2008 in this forum.
I have no foto of a blue one. I found those many years ago in the seventies and did not take them with me. At that time I had a Nikon camera... that was too heavy and bulky to carry it wizh me in the field, especially in Montenegro with rocks and shrub almost everywhere.
Now I have a female that is yellowish green. I´ll make a foto and post it when she will have shed.

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PostSubject: Re: Lake Scutari Locality Vipera ammodytes ammodytes   Thu 21 May - 5:36

Hi Rainer,
Wow! Absolutely fantastic, such variation there. I also like the black and white male that you posted a picture of.

Many thanks

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PostSubject: Re: Lake Scutari Locality Vipera ammodytes ammodytes   Thu 21 May - 14:49

Thanks Rainer that is really interesting. I have seen some nice silver and black specimens with my own eyes before but no other colours, I didn not even know they were so variable.
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PostSubject: Re: Lake Scutari Locality Vipera ammodytes ammodytes   Fri 22 May - 1:03

Hi Al, hi Rob,

their variability and some other features are the reason why I am so fascinated by this species.
Yes, I also think the black and white one is a beauty. and it was electryfying to see him there with only green around. I took the foto like I found him, he did not even realize that I was there. He was crawling "home" to his rock-wall with a big meal in his belly.

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PostSubject: Re: Lake Scutari Locality Vipera ammodytes ammodytes   Fri 22 May - 1:31

The green female shed and I got a foto. I could not get the entire snakes on the foto, the rest of their bodies is behind a rock and i did not want to disturb them. But i think you can see the greenish colour. I have seen even greener ones.

She is together in her terrarium with two other gravid females from the same population in the Scutari-Lake area in Montenegro. The one underneath is her mother (her father is the greenish male I posted last year), the orange female is not related to her. She is gravid from a dark-red male.

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PostSubject: Re: Lake Scutari Locality Vipera ammodytes ammodytes   Fri 22 May - 4:18

Hi Rainer,
Lovely looking animals! I look forward to seeing the offspring when born Smile


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PostSubject: Re: Lake Scutari Locality Vipera ammodytes ammodytes   Fri 22 May - 16:26

Rainer Fesser

Do you have any habitat pictures from the area around the lake and on the lake itself ?

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PostSubject: Re: Lake Scutari Locality Vipera ammodytes ammodytes   Fri 22 May - 17:43

Well thanks for sharing Rainer, you have really peaked my interest in these animals. I love when these colours occur naturally.
What do you think determines the difference in colour?
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PostSubject: Re: Lake Scutari Locality Vipera ammodytes ammodytes   Tue 17 Aug - 1:24

Very nice animal,

As a Greek hobbyst I 'm in love with ammodytes meridionalis...
But scutari is more and more beautiful does any one knows breeder of them in europe and which is the price for a pair of them?
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PostSubject: Re: Lake Scutari Locality Vipera ammodytes ammodytes   Thu 19 Aug - 1:02

@George, I got a 1.2 group consisting of a Steel gray/black male , Brown yellow female and a yellow female from Lake Scutari for 100€ in houten last year.
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PostSubject: Re: Lake Scutari Locality Vipera ammodytes ammodytes   Fri 20 Aug - 7:50

Thank you for the infos Michael.
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PostSubject: Re: Lake Scutari Locality Vipera ammodytes ammodytes   Fri 20 Aug - 14:38

She's a screamer, Graeme. Thanks for sharing. She's a gorgeous example of ammodytes.
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