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Mario Lutz
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PostSubject: Vipera ammodytes (Picture)   Sat 5 Apr - 13:23

years back, i received one Vipera ammodytes from a friend of mine.

i was not sure about if she will be suitable for our high temperatures, also i dont wanted to hibernate the snake, coz of many time brown outs here in the philippines.
well, 4 years later now, the snake is doing still very well. i really love here . as she is a nice contrast to all our tropical animals.

as my friend was buying here from somebody without any idea about locality, can some of the Vipera experts here give me a clue where she can came from? is that even possible to guess the locality by the coloration of the snake?





Vipera ammodytes female, from unknown Locality


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PostSubject: Re: Vipera ammodytes (Picture)   Sat 5 Apr - 16:37

Hi Mario
Difficult to tell you anthing about the origin of this snake, but, due to the very black dorsal band and the well defined side blotches, it must be a male.
I think it's ammodytes ammodytes, from the northern part of its range, perhaps Austria or Slovenia.
If it's from Austria (or northern Slovenia) indeed, some people still would say it's ammodytes gregorwallneri, described by SOCHUREK as the "alpine horned adder", but the acceptance of this subspecies has faded away recently, right now some research work is done on this "subspecies" (and on "ruffoi" too).
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PostSubject: Re: Vipera ammodytes (Picture)   Mon 5 May - 7:02

Nice pics Mario, and you too Ronny from your topic. I just picked up these two V. ammodytes babies a could days ago. Sorry the pics aren't better. Not sure about the locality of these. I'll ask the guy I got them from what he knows.

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PostSubject: Re: Vipera ammodytes (Picture)   Mon 5 May - 21:17

Hey Randy,

the Female looks like Species from the Island KRK.

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PostSubject: Re: Vipera ammodytes (Picture)   Tue 6 May - 0:35

Thanks Henning

I'll have to call my buddy and see what he can tell me about the male. He also has some aspis and raddei (possibly kurdistanica).

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PostSubject: Re: Vipera ammodytes (Picture)   Tue 6 May - 2:14

Hi Randy,

do you search raddei ? or raddei kurdistanica? A friend of me is breeding them. Also both species. If you have a question i can give you the mail adress.


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PostSubject: Re: Vipera ammodytes (Picture)   Tue 6 May - 7:31

Thanks Henning

Yeah, I could use his email address. You can send it in private email if you want.
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PostSubject: Re: Vipera ammodytes (Picture)   Mon 15 Jul - 5:14

Mario, this male could be from Slunj in Croatia. I have one that looks just like this one, black head and beautiful contrast between base colour and black patern.
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