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PostSubject: A Boiga species from Luzon   Fri 4 Apr - 22:28

The most common boiga species from Luzon, Philippines, is Boiga dendrophila divergens TAYLOR 1922. Keeping them in captivity is not much of a problem as long as temperature, humidity and ventilation are provided. Newly acquired wild-born specimens often are finicky feeders and would refuse whatever kinds of prey a keeper offers, although the food item comprises the snake's dietary requirement in the wild. To acclimatize B. d. divergens in a captivity, the terrarium has to be spacious and high enough in order for the snake to move around; to enable it to explore its surroundings, especially after dark. At daytime, these snakes seem to be resting all day long on a branch, and will only move if disturbed or agitated. I have bred B. d. divergens three times and had learned from the mistakes on how to rear the hatchlings. Incubation temperature must be kept between 28 and 32 degreess Celsius; RH at 70-80% for a period of 52-68 days. High humidity is very important for the hatchlings to thrive. It is done by having the water level inside the brooding tank kept at about 10 cm high. A couple of twigs are placed directly above the water so to offer the snake a place to rest upon. In temperate climate countries, it is advisable to make use of an aquarium heater to warm up the water, offering more humidity. Humidity under 50% will results in difficulty of shedding, inappentancy and worst, respiratory problems. Force-feeding is done with chopped Hemidactylus frenatus or pinky mice for the first 3-6 months of rearing period. , then they can be shifted to pinky mice. Sorry, the photos are not very well taken.





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PostSubject: Re: A Boiga species from Luzon   Fri 4 Apr - 22:43

This just so pretty that I can hardly describe it without using bad words.

Thanks for sharing!
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PostSubject: Re: A Boiga species from Luzon   Fri 4 Apr - 22:54

thanks matt,

looks like i got the right guys here at herpaworld? does´nt it?
Boiga dendrophila divergenz ist stunning, we have them here also at herpaworld, and with Matt´s help i think we will be having babies, noh?


one of mine! BDD-Female


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PostSubject: Re: A Boiga species from Luzon   Fri 4 Apr - 23:12

Shocked Just great....
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PostSubject: Re: A Boiga species from Luzon   Fri 4 Apr - 23:27

Matt - why did you opened the Eggs?
it looks like the got still a bit joke to go?

you was getting nervous? cant wait? or was there another point in dong it?


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PostSubject: Re: A Boiga species from Luzon   Sat 5 Apr - 13:56

Mario Lutz wrote:
Matt - why did you opened the Eggs?
it looks like the got still a bit joke to go?

you was getting nervous? cant wait? or was there another point in dong it?


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Mario

Bossing,

I had to open the eggs because I had a bad experience with the first clutch when the hatchlings got stuck inside the egg and couldn't emerge by themselves. I just don't know why I took the last resort by opening the eggs manually... instinct, I would think. The hatchlings did well afterwards but had to be force-fed on a regular basis.

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PostSubject: Re: A Boiga species from Luzon   Sat 5 Apr - 14:17

matt yuyek wrote:
Mario Lutz wrote:
Matt - why did you opened the Eggs?
it looks like the got still a bit joke to go?

you was getting nervous? cant wait? or was there another point in dong it?


thx
Mario

Bossing,

I had to open the eggs because I had a bad experience with the first clutch when the hatchlings got stuck inside the egg and couldn't emerge by themselves. I just don't know why I took the last resort by opening the eggs manually... instinct, I would think. The hatchlings did well afterwards but had to be force-fed on a regular basis.

Thanks,

matt


thats what i was thinking - you was getting nervous. exactable for me.
if you had this bad experiences before, ill guess you handled right in open them up.

your instinct proofed, the snakes was doing well after that.
why you think the other clutch does not been able to break their shells by themselves?

Mario
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PostSubject: Re: A Boiga species from Luzon   Sat 5 Apr - 21:16

matt yuyek wrote:
Mario Lutz wrote:
Matt - why did you opened the Eggs?
it looks like the got still a bit joke to go?

you was getting nervous? cant wait? or was there another point in dong it?


thx
Mario

Bossing,

I had to open the eggs because I had a bad experience with the first clutch when the hatchlings got stuck inside the egg and couldn't emerge by themselves. I just don't know why I took the last resort by opening the eggs manually... instinct, I would think. The hatchlings did well afterwards but had to be force-fed on a regular basis.

Thanks,

matt

This is a typicall problem when it comes to incubating eggs from Boiga species. Crying or Very sad

I have had this problem with eggs of Boiga cyanea, Boiga dendrophila gemmicincta and Boiga tanahjampeana.

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PostSubject: Re: A Boiga species from Luzon   Mon 7 Apr - 13:32

Mario Lutz wrote:
matt yuyek wrote:
Mario Lutz wrote:
Matt - why did you opened the Eggs?
it looks like the got still a bit joke to go?

you was getting nervous? cant wait? or was there another point in dong it?


thx
Mario

Bossing,

I had to open the eggs because I had a bad experience with the first clutch when the hatchlings got stuck inside the egg and couldn't emerge by themselves. I just don't know why I took the last resort by opening the eggs manually... instinct, I would think. The hatchlings did well afterwards but had to be force-fed on a regular basis.

Thanks,

matt

thats what i was thinking - you was getting nervous. exactable for me.
if you had this bad experiences before, ill guess you handled right in open them up.

your instinct proofed, the snakes was doing well after that.
why you think the other clutch does not been able to break their shells by themselves?

Mario

A few hatchlings in the first and second clutches just got their head stuck between the slit after pipping and wasn't able to emerge because of that. I wasn't really sure why it had happened, but I guess those hatchlings were kind of weak when they hatched, it was due probably to some undetermined congenital birth defects because I found two of which was suffering from lordosis of the spinal column. Could probably be genetical or environmental? Well, I really couldn't tell. That's the reason why the hatchling in the third clutch had to be assisted-hatched, and I know for sure that if I didn't assist hatching then the same thing might had happened again. Nervous? Hell I was! It was some kind of a mixed feelings --- nervousness and excitement altogether, you know, and I felt like shitting in my pants! Hehehe...
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PostSubject: Re: A Boiga species from Luzon   Mon 7 Apr - 14:37

Example 1) In our DGHT group we had last month a hearing about australien dwarf monitors. And this guy told us some interesting incubation experiences. Ok - too less huminity while incubation the eggs is bad - no way. But this guy told us, if you have too much huminity the pressure in the eggs it is bad too. The pressure in the eggs should raises to a bad level, that the monitors can´t escape. Ok this might be true only for desert animals like this monitors.

Example 2) A friend of mine breeds Chondros and C. caninus for more than 20 years. And he said to me, if you drop the temperature für 1-2°C in the last week of inkubation Morelia viridis the babies will better get of the eggs.

What I wanted to say, we don´t know really much about inkubation reptiles eggs and their are factors like in my examples that can affect your success.
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PostSubject: Re: A Boiga species from Luzon   Tue 22 Apr - 3:51

Hello!

I agree with Jörg
There are four main reasons why the hatchings can´t emerge from the egg:

1. Bad conditions of the parents. If the female is in bad condition she is not able to provide the eggs with all the necessary vitamins, mineral nutrients, etc. the hatchings need. In the end of the incubation, all the nutrition is gone and the hatchings starve or will be to weak for hatching.

2. Too high humidity. The reasons Jörg told us are right.

3. Too high temperature at the end of the incubation. When the embryo grows in his egg, his metabolism raises until it is ready to hatch. The metabolism (in particular the muscel activity) leads to a higher body temperature of the embryo at the end of the incubation. That means the temperature in the egg raises without changing the incubation temperature we hired at the incubator. Together with isolating material around the egg, like the breeding substrate, the embryo is getting hot. The higher temperature of the embryo leads to a higher metabolism and as a consequence to higher oxygen needs of the embryo. At the end the embryo suffocate in his egg.

4. Too high temperature at the whole incubation period. Many people observed stronger hatchings when incubating the eggs on lower temperatures as in higher temperatures.
The exact reason I don´t know (maybe someone else?). Maybe the hatchings are to weak to break the egg shell.

Genetic reasons are thinkable as well. Lack of egg tooth, etc.

I know one case where a friend of me incubated eggs of Elaphe climacophora. All the hatchings died in their eggs. We observed the eggs, the shells were more as three times as thick as normal. The reason I don´t know.

Hopefully I could help.

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PostSubject: Re: A Boiga species from Luzon   Thu 24 Apr - 22:23

Definately the most beautiful of the dendrophila ssp. in my book!

Congrats!
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PostSubject: Re: A Boiga species from Luzon   Mon 30 Mar - 0:59

I have some question about Boiga dendrophila divergenz

1) Size about adult specimen ( around ) ?
2) Are they available at Europe?

RGDS Fabian

P.s.: Same questions about Boiga dendrophila multifasciata
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PostSubject: Re: A Boiga species from Luzon   Mon 30 Mar - 9:33

Fabian Dirks wrote:
I have some question about Boiga dendrophila divergenz

1) Size about adult specimen ( around ) ?
2) Are they available at Europe?

RGDS Fabian

P.s.: Same questions about Boiga dendrophila multifasciata

the Boiga dendrophila divergenz can grow up to 2 meter, some even a little bigger...
we had neven any handling problems, as the animals usually behave very well...

they should be not available in europe or somewhere else as the wildlife republic act in the philippines only allowed wildlife farm permit holders to export wildlife. as far as i know of, herpaworld is still the only one who ever exported reptilians legally... on the black market of corse, that might be different...

we will export some to europe next september....


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PostSubject: Re: A Boiga species from Luzon   Mon 30 Mar - 14:46

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they should be not available in europe or somewhere else as the wildlife republic act in the philippines only allowed wildlife farm permit holders to export wildlife. as far as i know of, herpaworld is still the only one who ever exported reptilians legally... on the black market of corse, that might be different...

Thank you Mario

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PostSubject: Re: A Boiga species from Luzon   Sat 4 Apr - 22:01

Those are absolutely stunning animals! I hope to see a lot more hatching pics posted here Smile

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PostSubject: Re: A Boiga species from Luzon   Tue 23 Jun - 22:35

What a beautys!!
Is it difficult to feed the neonats?

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PostSubject: Re: A Boiga species from Luzon   Sun 25 Oct - 22:30

Mario Lutz wrote:

we will export some to europe next september....

Oh, how I love this subspecies! Would really like to see these in my collection!

How did this exporting work out? Should they be in Europe now, or did problems come up?

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