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PostSubject: vipera ammodytes   Thu 9 Apr - 18:21

Hello, I wanted to know so there prespasee and in the peloponese there is of the vipera ammodytes ammodytes?

It seems to me that it prespasee there is that of the meridionalis.

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PostSubject: Re: vipera ammodytes   Thu 9 Apr - 22:57

Hello Nicolas,
around Lake Prespa as well as on the Pelopones there are V. amm. meridionalis according to current taxonomy.
According to Ljiljana Tomovic (2006), from the University of Beograd, V. amm. from Lake Prespa belong to V. amm. montandoni.
For sure, both are not V. amm. ammodytes.
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PostSubject: Re: vipera ammodytes   Fri 10 Apr - 4:11

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PostSubject: Re: vipera ammodytes   Fri 10 Apr - 23:02

In the Ohrid / Prespa region I think these vipers are true ammodytes meridionalis.
I visited this region very often. Last time in spring 2008.
Accourding to ventral-, subcaudal counts and composition of "hornscales", including rostrals and nasarostrals, all have been meridionalis.

PS: I know Lilly´s 2006 publication very well. But I may not agree with her, montandoni occours from the Ionian see to the east. By the way, it is very hard to differentiate montandoni from meridionalis.

See: Ursenbacher, S., Schweiger, S., Tomovic, L., Crnobrnja-Isailovic, J., Fumagalli, L. & Mayer,W. (2007): Molecular phylogeography of the nose-horned viper (Vipera ammodytes, (Linnaeus, 1758)): evidence for high genetic diversity and multiple refugia in the Balkan peninsula. -- Molecular Phylogenetics and Evolution 46 (3): 1116-1128.

PDf file is in my database for download ()but you have to be registered to see and download it).

See also my paper on European Vipers, out of the last issue of REPTILIA (you may download it

here, preprint, in German language).

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