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PostSubject: Popeia nebularis   Sat 21 Mar - 2:56

Hi guys

2 new animals I've got at the expo in Hamm







Does anyone else you keep them?
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PostSubject: Re: Popeia nebularis   Sat 21 Mar - 6:33

Very very nice Popeia.... i like the green eye´s!!
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PostSubject: Re: Popeia nebularis   Sat 21 Mar - 13:34

Hi Markus,


just a stunning animal you got yourself...
very special, especially the blue is great..

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PostSubject: Re: Popeia nebularis   Sat 21 Mar - 16:05

Hello Markus,
can you tell me the different between Popia fucata from Malaysia and your P. nebularis?
It´s not a joke why I´m asking. A lot of animals that are offered from Malaysia are P. fucata even if it is told that they are from the Cammeron Highlands.

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PostSubject: Re: Popeia nebularis   Sat 21 Mar - 16:36

Maybe this would answer your question, Jörg:
Vogel, G., P. David & O.S.G. Pauwels
(2004) A review of morphological variation in
Trimeresurus popeiorum (Serpentes: Viperidae: Crotalinae), with
the description of two new species. Zootaxa 727: 1-63.

I' someone here has been successful in finding the full article (instead of the abstract), please let me know.....

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PostSubject: Re: Popeia nebularis   Sat 21 Mar - 17:22

Very nice!!
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PostSubject: Re: Popeia nebularis   Sat 21 Mar - 17:41

What sex is it on your pics?
Do you have pics of the tail?
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PostSubject: Re: Popeia nebularis   Sat 21 Mar - 20:05

Hi

At first, these are 2 animals, i don't know it exactly yet, but I think it's a pair.

One is smaller and has not such a big and flat head like the bigger one, pictures of their tales have to be done, I'll post them as soon as I made them.

The pictures I posted, 1 & 2 = the small one 3 = the big one

Thank you for your posts, the green eyes and the shape of the head are really awesome Smile

And here; the Big ones head and tail:





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PostSubject: Re: Popeia nebularis   Sat 21 Mar - 20:45

Ok you´re right that are really P. nebularis.
Gernot Vogel told me that P. nebularis are the only species in the popeiorum complex with an "albolabris-tail". And he should know that because he descriped this species Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Popeia nebularis   Sat 21 Mar - 23:08

The looks like CB snakes! Very nice!Both snakes on the pictures?

I have a pic from 2008, I have visited Malysia. I found there by an Exporter a lot of nebularis, but the don´t give them food them and enought water. So you can see the condition of the snakes on this pic. Only 2 from around 30 are looked ok, maby the have catch them the day before!? You can see two males on the picture, both has red and withe stripes. I don´t know if all males of nebularis has this!
But you can see, that not all nebularis has green eyes...

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PostSubject: Nice...   Sun 22 Mar - 0:52

Good photography work, Mr. Gottlieb and beautiful specimens, as well(I hope that you have a pair). Sincerely, Jon Davidson .
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PostSubject: Re: Popeia nebularis   Sun 22 Mar - 0:56

Thank you for pointing out the Vogel and Pauwels paper, Mr. Zurcher. It sounds like an interesting essay. Sincerely, Jon Davidson .
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PostSubject: Re: Popeia nebularis   Sun 22 Mar - 3:06

Peter van Issem wrote:
The looks like CB snakes! Very nice!Both snakes on the pictures?

You can see two males on the picture, both has red and withe stripes. I don´t know if all males of nebularis has this!

Yes and no. Yes young male has it, but they loose their stripes when they´re getting older. One piont that make this species so special.
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PostSubject: Re: Popeia nebularis   Sun 22 Mar - 14:53

Ok, I know only adults! Years ago, I found a male around 50 cm. hat still has had the stripes! Maby the grow up mor than this size. The biggest adult female I ever seen was around 90 cm. A very nice species for sure!
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PostSubject: Re: Popeia nebularis   Sun 22 Mar - 19:51

Hi everybody,

Thank you for all your posts.

Yeah they look really fine for WC animals, i've got them from a good friend, he mainly imports arachnids (birdspiders) and he only got this 2 animals from his exporteur in Malaysia, so, not all WC animals are near death Smile (but sadly the most...)

I will post again when I have the tail pictures.

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PostSubject: Re: Popeia nebularis   Sat 27 Jun - 19:08

ok guys..whats the diff between an albolabris tail and a Popeiorum complex tail??
ive seen both in India(north-east himalayas).
Is the difference something got to do with the amont of red that covers the tail??
more in popeiorum than in albolabris or something i have not noticed...
And yes as Peter Zurcher said if anyone has access to that paper in 2004 please let us know...
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PostSubject: Re: Popeia nebularis   Sun 28 Jun - 18:15

there is the complete publication:

A review of morphological variation in Trimeresurus popeiorum (Serpentes: Viperidae: Crotalinae), with the description of two new species
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PostSubject: Re: Popeia nebularis   Fri 3 Jul - 15:07

Hi

A little picture update









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PostSubject: Re: Popeia nebularis   Fri 3 Jul - 15:46

Great shots from real stunners!

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PostSubject: Re: Popeia nebularis   Fri 3 Jul - 17:19

Fantastic pics of fantastic snakes!!!
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PostSubject: Re: Popeia nebularis   Wed 8 Jul - 4:22

Peter Zürcher wrote:
Maybe this would answer your question, Jörg:
Vogel, G., P. David & O.S.G. Pauwels
(2004) A review of morphological variation in
Trimeresurus popeiorum (Serpentes: Viperidae: Crotalinae), with
the description of two new species. Zootaxa 727: 1-63.

I' someone here has been successful in finding the full article (instead of the abstract), please let me know.....

Cheers
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I've got the full article if you still want it...
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PostSubject: Re: Popeia nebularis   Thu 9 Jul - 3:21

Sonny Wiktorsson wrote:
Peter Zürcher wrote:
Maybe this would answer your question, Jörg:
Vogel, G., P. David & O.S.G. Pauwels
(2004) A review of morphological variation in
Trimeresurus popeiorum (Serpentes: Viperidae: Crotalinae), with
the description of two new species. Zootaxa 727: 1-63.

I' someone here has been successful in finding the full article (instead of the abstract), please let me know.....

Cheers
Peter

I've got the full article if you still want it...

I put a link for the full article in a previous message.

the link: CLICK HERE
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PostSubject: Re: Popeia nebularis   Fri 10 Jul - 18:19

Wow .... really stunning snakes and photos too ... and now I´m really jealous again. Hope everything goes well with them.
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PostSubject: Re: Popeia nebularis   Tue 14 Jul - 9:29

Markus, You are the man. I picked up one of these at the columbia show several months ago and have had the hardest time identifying him and with your pics. it was easy he is the spitting image of your animal.
Here he is. Sorry for the quality its a cell phone camera.
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PostSubject: Re: Popeia nebularis   Thu 29 Oct - 15:56

Hi

@Remi Ksas:

Thank you very much for the article! It's a great paper.

@Timothy:
Nice one you got there :-)

And one thing I have to say, in the article the longest recordet nebularis was about 100cm, the last shed of my bigger one was above 120 cm, real big beatuy Very Happy

Will post some new pictures these days

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